Watch "Jordanian Political Analyst on Kidnapped Israeli children" on YouTube

Jordanian Political Analyst on Kidnapped Israeli children, Israel has no children, just soldiers. http://youtu.be/osh9AuI8amg The same logic that Islamists use to kill Israeli civilians...

@Wotsit4 update

Over the weekend @Wotsit4 seemingly revealed some of his true nature. One tweet referring to 'Jew girls' and another blaming Mossad for 9/11.

He tried to excuse the former by claiming lack of space, have a look at the original tweet, what do you think? When pressed regarding the latter tweet, with me pointing out that Al Qaeda were happy to claim responsibility/credit for 9/11, not a word came back.

I don't normally stop engaging with offensive idiots on Twitter but @Wotsit4 has already admitted that he just enjoys winding me up and I see no reason to let him carry on trying. In addition I fear for his health, on Saturday night his tweets got angrier and angrier and a man of his age should be more careful with his health.

I've asked @Wotsit4 many times to explain why he thinks that Israel is occupying the West Bank and Gaza post 1967 but that Jordan and Egypt weren't 1948-1967 but he cannot.


So last week I gave @Wotsit4 an ultimatum, to answer my question re the West Bank and Gaza by 11am today or be #blocked. I shall be a meeting at that time but unless there is an adequate response tweeted by him to me by that time, then #blocked he will be.


Update: There was no response so he's #blocked. Someone else can deal with his hatred and stupidity.

The @Wotsit4 flounce (part 2)

You may remember a while back that @Wotsit4 flounced off. Unfortunately he came back to Twitter and this time he's been even nastier than previously. He's flounced off again, here's the last Twitter exchange...

The question that @Wotist4 won't answer is the one I posted previously:

Why do you think that Israel is occupying the West Bank and Gaza post 1967 but that Jordan and Egypt weren't 1948-1967?



It would seem that @Wotsit4 would rather hang out (on Twitter) with anti-Semites like @fuck_israel than answer a good and very relevant question.

The question that @Wotsit4 just can't answer, so I will...

I've been asking an individual, who Tweets under the handle @Wotsit4, a very simple two part question. I've asked him it over 20, maybe even 30 or 40 times and he just can't answer the question. To save me typing it over and over again on Twitter, although my smartphone's predictive type feature really does ease the pain here, here is that question is a nice large type size:

Why do you think that Israel is occupying the West Bank and Gaza post 1967 but that Jordan and Egypt weren't 1948-1967?

I wonder if @Wotsit4 will finally manage to answer that question in the comments here?

You see the trouble is that he knows he can't answer that question honestly because that would either reveal his real motives in opposing Israel or leave him open to me pointing out that people who know far more than he about the 'Palestinians' explained it thus:

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

'The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. 

In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.'

Zahir Muhsein was only a PLO executive committee member, so here's the PLO leader Yasser Arafat speaking on Jordanian TV on the same day that he signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993:

“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

Those were comments from 'Palestinians' how about we remember what a Jordanian king said?
Here's King Hussein:

In 1965 - “Those organisations which seek to differentiate between Palestinians and Jordanians are traitors.” 

In 1981 - “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

How about looking the first Palestine National Charter of 1964, this explicitly denies any claim to the West Bank and Gaza  which were then “occupied” by Jordan and Egypt:

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area

So the PLO weren't interested in 'liberating' the West Bank and Gaza to form part of a 'Palestinian' state until they were 'occupied' by Jews. Jordan was fine.


Remember that for many years, the PLO itself promoted a "stages plan" that would first create a Palestinian state on the 1949 - 1967 armistice lines, and then work from that position to destroy Israel. Indeed senior Fatah official Abbas Zaki recently stated that this remains the goal for Fatah as well, but that "you can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself."...

The facts are out there and easy to find but the likes of @Wotsit4 and @DD1958 ignore them because to do otherwise would prove their standpoints to be based on lies.

The Dome of the Rock aka The third holiest site in Islam in disrepair in 1954

Odd how when under Muslim control the Dome of the Rock was in such disrepair. Could it be the case that Jerusalem only became important to Muslims when it came under Jewish control?

@DD1958 cannot answer a straight question but is willing to use synthetic outrage to avoid having to do so

Further to my posts about @DD1958, most recently here yesterday, it seems that POPS! has decided that synthetic outrage is the best that he can manage in order to avoid answering my question as to why the 'Palestinians' and their supporters claim that Israel is 'occupying Palestinian land' in 'the West Bank' and Gaza but had no such problem when Jordan and Egypt occupied 'the West Bank' and Gaza 1948-1967. Yes he's gone off in a fake huff...

You can read the truth behind that nasty claim in yesterday's post.

I'd take @DD1958 more seriously had he not revealed his tactics previously...

Interestingly I see that @DD1958 hasn't blocked me after all, since my tweeted replies show up in his Twitter...

 ... maybe he secretly likes to be reminded of the truth about Israel and the Palestinians. Maybe in his heart @DD1958 knows the falsity of the positions he espouses and needs me to keep him grounded in reality. Or maybe he's a blowhard... Whatever the case I note that he still cannot answer why the 'Palestinians' and their supporters claim that Israel is 'occupying Palestinian land' in 'the West Bank' and Gaza but had no such problem when Jordan and Egypt occupied 'the West Bank' and Gaza 1948-1967.

The problem with facts

Pops! aka @DD1958 has a serious problem answering a question that I have posed him on Twitter many times now (here are just four examples):

So far he's been unable to answer the question, I wonder why...

The truth is that when Jordan invaded 'the West Bank' and held it between 1950 and 1967 and likewise Egypt with Gaza, there were no screams of protest from the 'Palestinians' about 'occupation'.But when the Israelis (for which you can read Jews) took back these two areas in the 1967 war, suddenly the 'Palestinians' decide that they are being occupied...

@DD1958 can't think of a reason to explain this, I wonder why...

Watch ""Brotherly Love" - Arab Treatment of Palestinian Arabs"

'See how the Arab world treats their "brothers," the Palestinian Arabs...
The world focuses on Israel's "inhumane" treatment, while Arab nations hold them in horrid refugee camps, using them as political pawns. They were ethnically cleansed, they were massacred, all by Arabs. And the subjugation continues. But no one says a word.

Now THAT is "brotherly love."

Get more TRUTH at:
- FuelForTruth - http://www.fuelfortruth.org
- Twitter - https://twitter.com/fuelfortruth
- Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FuelForTruth '

Report: Jordan vetoes Israeli request to allow Jewish prayer on Temple Mount | JPost | Israel News

Jews denied the right to worship at the holiest site for Judaism by a state that banned almost all Jewish access to The Temple Mount when they occupied Jerusalem 1948-1967.

More here http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Report-Jordan-vetoes-Israeli-request-to-allow-Jewish-prayer-on-Temple-Mount-331443

Hi, I’m New Here, An Arab Zionist and Former Muslim speaks

'Moving forward to 1999, I was in Jordan and one day the neighborhood erupted in joy. I thought it was a wedding at first, but it turned out that there was a suicide attack in Israel. They started handing out sweets to us, and I went inside to see the tv and the carnage that was going on, while around me everyone was joyful. At this point I thought to myself "Aren't we dehumanizing ourselves if we are dehumanizing other people?"'

More here http://www.israellycool.com/2013/11/02/hi-im-new-here-an-arab-zionist-and-former-muslim/

Watch "The Palestine Myth" on YouTube

Pre 1967 there were Jordanians, post 1967 they became Palestinians so as to be able to claim back Israel. I've blogged about this fact before but not seen this chap agree with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCRSKDzVUc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Palestinian people do not exist

I have posted articles quoting Zahir Muhsein and Yasser Arafat's words previously. But the truth is always worth repeating, especially if it forces the hate filled like @DD1958 to face up to the truth.
More here http://mobile.wnd.com/2002/07/14501/

'Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

That’s pretty clear, isn’t it? It’s even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. It reaffirms what I have written on this subject. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.

In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here’s what he said: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

No matter how many people convince themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.'

Accentuate the Positive, Jordan is Palestine - Op-Eds - Israel National News

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/13531#.Ud7XVLtZ5Ww

More, much more on this tomorrow...

Is @DD1958 the most arrogant tweeter ever?

I presented @Dd1958 with the facts contained in this post, the one where the PLO's Zahir Muhsein. admitted that (my emphasis):

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

The same post also included King Hussein's comments that:

“Those organisations which seek to differentiate between Palestinians and Jordanians are traitors.” 

“Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

The same post also included an extract from the 1964 Palestine National Charter, comments from the Hamas Interior Minister from last year:
"Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis... Who are the Palestinians? .... Egyptians... We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims."

What were @DD1958's responses?

First he claimed that King Hussein was an American puppet - because in the eyes of the terminally left-wing idiocracy anyone who disagrees with them is one or more of: American puppet, Zionist or racist




Then that King Hussein was just wrong- Because @DD1958 knows better than the then King of Jordan





Then that these quotes were so old they were worthless - @DD1958 seems to be allergic to facts





Then that Jews didn't support Israel, only Zionists did - that was fun explaining to him, he's not very bright

I think his most revealing comment was this one though




Don't worry people, it's OK @DD1958 doesn't really believe the shit he spouts, he's just trying to wind me up. Well he didn't succeed because I know more about the Israel/'Palestinan' dispute than he could ever dream of knowing and because I've been arguing with (and besting) left-wing faux intellectuals for years, they are easy meat to me.

If you fancy a laugh, look out for @DD1958 lecturing me on the difference between facts and truth, really quite amusing to be lectured by a left-wing faux intellectual like him.

I finished my last Tweet to @DD1958 with NCF (No Comment Follows), from what he has Tweeted to me since it appears that he doesn't understand what that means either. I wonder when he'll grow bored and go and wind up another 'Zionist bigot'.

Who are the Palestinian people? Let the PLO & King Hussein of Jordan answer that. This post is dedicated to @DD1958 aka POPS! (Maybe also aka @PlebDonovan) who seems incapable of understanding simple English

As I have said before the 'Palestinians' claim on Israel is nothing to do with the 'Palestinian' people. But don't listen to me, listen to Palestine Liberation Organisation executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said in 1977:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Let's read that again:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.


For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva ."

Does that make it clear who the Palestinian peope are? And that's from one of the leaders of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation.


Now take a look at the first Palestine National Charter of 1964, this explicitly denies any claim to the West Bank and Gaza  which were then “occupied” by Jordan and Egypt:

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area

So the PLO weren't interested in 'liberating' the West Bank and Gaza to form part of a 'Palestinian' state until they were 'occupied' by Jews. Jordan was fine, and you'll see why in the next quotation, Egypt was fine as well and the final quotation below will explain that.


Until the late 1980s, Jordan’s Hashemite rulers did not deny that their country was Palestine. They said so on numerous occasions. In 1965, King Hussein said: “Those organisations which seek to differentiate between Palestinians and Jordanians are traitors.” As late as 1981, Hussein repeated “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

Remember that for many years, the PLO itself promoted a "stages plan" that would first create a Palestinian state on the 1949 - 1967 armistice lines, and then work from that position to destroy Israel. Indeed senior Fatah official Abbas Zaki recently stated that this remains the goal for Fatah as well, but that "you can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself."...


As for Egypt, here's the Hamas  Interior Minister last year:

"Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis... Who are the Palestinians? .... Egyptians... We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims."

Do you understand yet @DD1958?

Palestine for the Palestinians, unless Palestine is occupied by someone other Israel

Take a look at the first Palestine National Charter of 1964, this explicitly denies any claim to the West Bank and Gaza  which were then “occupied” by Jordan and Egypt:

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area

As I have said before the 'Palestinians' claim on Israel is nothing to do with the 'Palestinian' people. But don't listen to me, listen to Palestine Liberation Organisation executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said in 1977:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Read that again: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.


For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva ."

Take a look back in time, until the late 1980s, Jordan’s Hashemite rulers did not deny that their country was Palestine. They said so on numerous occasions. In 1965, King Hussein said: “Those organisations which seek to differentiate between Palestinians and Jordanians are traitors.” As late as 1981, Hussein repeated “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

Remember that for many years, the PLO itself promoted a "stages plan" that would first create a Palestinian state on the 1949 - 1967 armistice lines, and then work from that position to destroy Israel. Indeed senior Fatah official Abbas Zaki recently stated that this remains the goal for Fatah as well, but that "you can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself."...

A tale of two hearts

The tale of two hearts is a fascinating study of the contrasts between Islamist savagery and Israeli compassion. Read it here http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-tale-of-two-hearts/


Almost more noteworthy is this extract from the same piece:

'There are of course many Arabs and Muslims who reject this culture of death. Many do so in words. Some have done so in powerful deeds. In March 1997, for example, a Jordanian soldier – Corporal Ahmed Daqamseh – opened fire on a group of Israeli schoolgirls visiting the Jordanian border. He killed seven schoolgirls and wounded six others before his rifle jammed.

A few days after the attack, King Hussein of Jordan did something extraordinary. He travelled to Israel to express his remorse. He actually knelt down before each of the grieving families. "Your daughter is like my daughter. Your loss is my loss," he told them. At that moment in time, peace – real peace – seemed possible.

Sadly, not all Jordanian's share the late King's heart. Speaking on Al Jazeera in 2001, Daqamseh's mother said, "I am proud of my son. My son did a heroic deed and has pleased Allah and his own conscience." Last month, over ninety percent of the members of the Jordanian Parliament – 110 out of 120 – signed a petition calling Daqamesh a "hero" and demanding a special pardon to release him.'

Which side are you on? Peace and compassion or war and hatred?

An interesting insight into Jordanian views on how serious shooting unarmed schoolgirls is. They were Jewish so that might colour their opinion.

'Last month, 110 Jordanian parliament members signed a petition calling for the release of Ahmad Daqamseh, a Jordanian soldier who gunned down a group of Israeli schoolgirls on a field trip to the "Isle of Peace" border area of Naharayim in 1997, killing seven.'

Context here http://www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-mulling-diplomatic-and-legal-measures-against-israel/

Fascist, fascist, fascist...

Calling someone a fascist, is the go to response of the so many of the ill-educated, hatemongers of the left and one of them tried to post a link to a really nasty piece on a blog that seems to have been setup just to attack this post of mine.


I haven't posted this individual's comment because the link is to the sort of hate-filled, lies and left-wing crap that is all too prevalent on the internet. here's the comment, if you want to read the whole piece you can follow the link.

Here's one extract with my response.

'The stupid suggestion that Jordan is the real Palestine was a brain dead propaganda campaign launched by evangelical magicians and Zionists in the 1970’s. it was dead on arrival, except for some poor lost fascist orientated souls.'

Hmmm, On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organisation executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

In 1965, King Hussein said: “Those organisations which seek to differentiate between Palestinians and Jordanians are traitors.” As late as 1981, Hussein repeated “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

In March 1971, The Palestine National Council, too, stated that “what links Jordan to Palestine is a national bond […] formed, since time immemorial, by history and culture. The establishment of one political entity in Transjordan and another in Palestine is illegal.”
 

I could fisk the rest of the article, but why bother Illan David isn't interested in facts, just spreading lies and hatred. It's not necessarily his fault though, there's a lot of this type of left-wing faux intellectual around, they seem to breed them at the lesser universities.

Jordan is Palestine

I know that I keep saying this,  but only because it's true.For some background, why not read my post dedicated to @tweet_palestine?